Saturday, April 4, 2009

My Case

So the guy that posted the original website about live universe owing him money (Live Universe Owes Me Money) took it down in return for his $600, But Live Universe owes me $30'000, Yes, Thirty Thousand Dollars.

I am not sure my friend whom they owe $200k got his money or not, Yes, 200 thousand dollars, or $200'000, i will ask him as soon as he goes on yahoo messenger again.

Anyway, Brad Greenspan (Live Universe Founder and CEO) ignores my emails (That are well documented in my Google Mail), he does not respond, and the person he had on the front line (taking all the nagging from people that want there money) finally left that company (Live Universe).

NOW IT IS MY TURN TO NOT WANT TO TALK TO YOU

Anyway, here is how it goes.

I managed a website for Mr. Brad Greenspan (Live Universe), I paid for a dedicated server for almost 1.5 years, i spent plenty of time working on it, and i paid employees to work on it, i was serving them (Live Universe) at a very low price, I helped them make much much more than they pay me for a long time.

After 6 months of service, i noticed that the money is no longer coming through, i felt somewhat frustrated that for 4 months, nothing has arrived at my bank account (As i noticed starting from month #6 through month 10)!

I contacted the person that i always get in touch with at LU and he told me that it is a trivial matter, that the contract expired after 6 months and we had to re-sign it, but assured me that i should keep going with there website, and so i trusted him and kept going.

two months later, after plenty of nagging from my side, i got the same contract to sign again, i signed and emailed the scan, everything should have been ok at this stage, but still no money coming in.

I complained and they told me to write an invoice ! i did, Nothing after that, i will send it to the accountant, i will send it to i don't know who, but rather than getting my money i got emails assuring me the money is coming.

Some time after, the front line guy told me that they were having difficulties, but that Brad is in NY raising money, every week there was brad is raising money, this time it is promising, this time it is a sure thing, and this other time they are in final stages, nothing came, i got nothing in return for my services, By that time LU owed me $30'000 that i have already paid to employees at my end, and for a server and my own time, The front line guy actually thought they were going to raise money and i still do trust he was sincere !

So the money mounted up to $30'000 and they could sense i was getting frustrated, Surely enough they changed there DNS to a host they have, and uploaded the website there (With my help unfortunately).

Later on, once they took the website into there own hands, it was a matter of time until the website lost traffic, and surely enough, it barely got any visitors in no time.

Now, i know a large number of people who LU owes money, but i will not write on there behalf, i will just allow them to write HERE on this page...

Brad, Pay the money, even if LU collapses you can build a new one Mr. Genius, But with people blogging how indecent you are, you are not going to get anywhere, and i already have this website on Auto Renew ! i will not let go of it to the end of time.

Brad is still buying websites (So he has money), Peerflix was bought in 9/08, MeeVee, 5/08, Pageflakes, 4/08 , Revver, 2/08, for millions of dollars (EX: Pageflakes for 3M and Revver for 5M)

Here is a list of websites brad greenspan operates (Non exhaustive list, there are many more).

LiveVideo
lyricsdownload.com
AllTheLyrics.com
bigoo.ws
completealbumlyrics.com
dumpalink.com
Blinkyou
MySpacePimper
Vidilife.com
Wallpaperbase
liveplace.com
Yikers
MeeVee
Pageflakes
Revver
glumbert.com
Peerflix
LyricsAndSongs.com
Flurl
Jangl
Mojoflix
BestCrazyVideos
Gkko
PopCritics.com
TheVideoSpace
Ezprezzo
Lemonzoo
Yourfilehost
Uniquepeek

Don't forget to add your comments

167 comments:

  1. well, i dont what to tell you, but as soon as you get your money, give me a call... i know many stores, we should have fun shopping !!! hahaha

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  2. Just wanted to add that I'm in the same boat as the person behind this blog. Live Universe owes me close to $5,000 (five thousand dollars) as payment for advertisements placed on my website last year. The money was due in July of 2008. They kept saying it will be paid, it's only a matter of time, yadda yadda. They eventually stopped replying. I gave up hope that I will ever receive that money.

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  3. Live Universe owes me $3,000 for programming work I did at Pageflakes. Writing it off as bad debt on my taxes :( Can't believe Live Universe is still around. Thought about going to court, but read that they don't pay their court judgements either.

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  4. Live Universe a.k.a. Live Video owes me $4750. I have given up. The few competent people that they had working for them are long gone. The last conversation I had with anyone from Live Universe was with this complete jerk named Jason Uribe who actually had the audacity to tell me that it was MY fault because I did the work without getting my money up front. IT'S MY FAULT???? Jason Uribe: Douchebag.

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  5. Yep, we sold or website to LiveUniverse about 2,5 years ago and over the time we got about 70% of the selling price.

    However, they still owe us 60,000$USD. Nevertheless, its just a question of time till the complete LU network goes bankrupt. A media network leaded by an unskilled full-idiot named Brag "The founder of Myspace" Greenspan. Brad, hope you will be gang-raped in prison soon!

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  6. We have a court judgment against LiveUniverse and they still won't pay. ($5,000.00) I have never dealt with such scum.

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  7. To all who have already won judgments: It's not hard to get your money from them if you can find a good judgment recovery specialist. I know this because I used to be one. Believe me, if you find a good JR person, they will take the shirt off of Brad's back!

    Anyway, like I said, I'm not a JR specialist anymore, but trust me...it's worth it to take them to court, only to win by default (because they didn't show up).

    Just make sure you have ample evidence that they were properly served with the court papers. If they were and they still didn't show up, any competent JR expert could get you some good money.

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    1. Hello,
      Brad Greenspan is a criminal...
      He is now poor, and lives at: 102 North Glendale avenue, Glendale CA (in a small studio)

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  8. They owe me over 100,000 for one of the sites (they bought off of me) listed above

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  9. I used to be an executive for the company and am currently owed over $6,900. I have an inside source who told me that the company owes over $1 Million and that Brad had to sell his Mercedes a few months ago in order to pay his real estate taxes. Good luck to all of us in collecting what's due to us!It is amazing to me that he is still in business today with this kind of business practice.

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  10. You you know what happend to Kristin (the lawyer) and Joseph (the server admin)? Are they still with Brad?

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  11. Nobody will be getting paid by them. Read www.zolaenterprises.com news under sites like revver.

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  12. Jason Uribe IS a total douchebag! (which is actually quite an understatement)

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  13. im not a douche...
    yall just are mad cause brad greenspan didnt pay you

    i didnt hire you... i didnt have access to the money to pay you...

    i tried to help you ungrateful children (some of you were actually nice, so, this only applies to those who place the blame on me) i got in trouble for continuing to harass my hire ups about getting yall paid...

    so put your sour grapes where they belong...

    and putting my first and last name on here?
    i always did my best to protect your identities...

    do it again and ill release all of your personal info...

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  14. one more thing... the simple fact that i was the last one you talked to... tells you that i was the only one trying to help you... that is until they cut our phone service

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  15. I agree, There is no need to blame yet another victim.

    Jason "Although i never talked to him personally" was probably just keeping you informed on what is going on, He did not personally owe anyone any money. More to that, just like everyone else here he probably didn't get paid all his money, So why mention him at all.

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  16. yes... thanks for that...

    this is a bad situation all around and i regret that i couldnt help everyone more that just being a conduit of info...

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  17. Why noone simply arrests Brad's websites (e.g. LiveVideo.com)? All the people who won in courts, why can't you just find out where the money from ads on those websites go? I see a lot of ads on all LiveUniverse websites, money is generated, they must go somewhere?

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  18. I used to work there and Jason Uribe is one hell of a nice guy. I'm sure whatever your problem with LiveUniverse is, it has nothing to do with him.

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  19. My attorney has gotten my judgement plus interest and attorney fees. We are now in the process of hiring a California firm to seize assets. If there are any left I guess.

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  20. LiveUniverse.com owes me $9,000 through Peerflix. I hope Brad Greenspan gets ruined for this and then I hope he gets hit by a train and burns in hell.

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  21. Jason Uribe: I posted your first and last name because you treated me like total crap. And your proclaimed innocence argument is severely weakened by threatening to release the private information of those who are owed money by LiveUniverse. You call us "ungrateful children"? What exactly are we supposed to feel grateful for? For getting screwed and then being told (by you) that it is our fault?

    You seem to be severely lacking in several key areas for the position you held--you definitely shouldn't be working with people.

    In the end, I do agree that the core of my complaint is LiveUniverse and not with you. That they hired incompetently (as you yourself are living proof of) is just one more reason why they failed as a business.

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  22. Jason Uribe is a great guy and your beef was not with him. I know, I worked with him for almost a year.

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  23. Does LiveUniverse own anything?

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  24. hmm Greenspan does not owe me money, but he owes me an apology for destroying the best video sharing site ever aka Livevideo.

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  25. "i tried to help you ungrateful children... and putting my first and last name on here?... do it again and ill release all of your personal info..."

    Spoken like a true douche bag!

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  26. Live universe 0wes me $1000 through revver for my videos . I hope one day the greedy brad will realize it , and will pay my money back.....

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  27. Anonymous:
    who are you?

    you know who i am... who are you?

    its easy to cast stone from behind anonymity you coward....

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  28. I am owed money as well a total of $11,000 or more I am thinking in contatcing th labor department or seriously start a law suit. It seems Live Video is super unprofesional took adavnatage of my work and lied in email??? Kept saying the checks are comming but they never come... everything is documented and they never fire me so therefore anyone thinking in law suit? Maybe if we do a group law suit and take it to the news they will pay us our money back. We should also spread the word out so people know this web site screws people's time, work and has no ethics!

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  29. its america there nobody can do anything or win if you are not the ones with money. No lawyer can win and few would try to help against such things did the huge still on going north carolina republican party chairman with his scams still going not teach of usa ways. hum

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  30. hi brad! you not only owe me two months salary, but you owe salary for the 5 friends i convinced to join your sinking ship. they wasted hours pretending to care about web hosting jobs on livevideo.com, planned on receiving the money owed to them, and when you didn't pay they were in dire straits. not to mention the last two checks i got from you BOUNCED in my account. because of that i bounced checks to people and guess who paid for all those fees? not you, because you never even paid me for the fraudulant checks you wrote. and not to mention the w-2 disaster sent. it is grossly incorrect on hours and conveniently came in the same batch of mail as all of my owed checks. that all bounced, moron. yes, i am angry. face the music. stop flaunting status with new acquisitions while the people who made your sites even slightly interesting by populating them called me everyday asking for help. where is the money. my lawyer can't find you! do you have any idea what shitload of trouble you will be in from my lawyer alone if you don't man up? and lastly because of the checks that bounced out of my account and all the fees my bank closed my account to investigate fraud. i still don't have an account. can't imagine you know what that feels like. turn your phone on. unlist false addresses. give me and my friends the money you owe us and for pete's sake dude get out of business. there are other jobs in the world.

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  31. Brad Greenapan knows what he's doing. Hopefully someone will find him and beat the shit out of him. He will never be able to show his face in L.A. Again because hundreds of people would attack him if they saw him in public. The house he once owned gets trashed and windows broken all the time and he hasn't owned it in years, the bank owns it, but people think it's his and come by looking for him and break shit. Believe me, no one will forget his evil. Kristin Schuh and Steve Orenstein both enabled and helped him and defended him, they are evil also. He didn't pay us 20k. The first thing I'm going to do when I get to hell is beat his ass. He's one of the most evil people walking the planet free. Juan Uribe is probably evil as well but I don't know him. Kristin was definitely guilty as sin, wouldn't return calls, kept collecting big paychecks years after debts went unpaid. Her career is ruined as well, she can't list a phone number publicly so even old clients who liked her can't work with her. She's a dishonest lawyer who should be disbarred. She would tell people to send a legal letter and she'd respond, then would just ignore it, even ignored judgements while they continued to pay millions for websites, so she wilfully helped him commit a felony by fraud and breach of contract, knowingly helped him evade his debts. If anyone ever gets a phone number for him please post it. His email that still works is brad@earthlink.net, and it doesn't bounce back so he still checks it. Send him millions of spam emails. I'm not technical but Brad did economic damage to people, all told, equalling worse than murder and he's an evil human being who knowingly robs people blind. He made $45 million and has over 10 million hidden, and owes most of that in debt.

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  32. Juan, how did you try to help? If you really want to help post Brad's contact info, phone, etc. He's been able to avoid his debts for so long because no one can contact him. Even when he was working in the office, people close to him had his number and never would give it out. If you believe what he did was wrong, post his number anonymously.

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  33. 310-345-1983 Merry X-Mas!

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  34. Brad Greenspan has Histrionic Personality Disorder. He need friends. Please help him.

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  35. Kristin Marie Schuh
    7456 Hollywood Blvd Apt 3
    Los Angeles, CA 90046

    (415) 601-8517

    Maybe she should help us all collect our money since she is the one who lied to us saying "Checks are in the mail"

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  36. They have an in-house idiot working for them now in LiveVideo. His username is Numzane. Apparently he is not liked at all there and is banning anyone who looks at his girlfriend wrong or calls him a bad name. He claims to uphold the Terms of Service but looks the other way when his followers break them as well as he is breaking them himself. He is a waste of space there, but hey, he is sucking the company off and probably not making a dime off of it. Hopefully it will shut down soon.

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  37. Brad Greenspan knows what he is doing here, he is hiring people to do jobs and won't have to pay anyone back, he is protected more than those he has neglected to pay. He is a shameful human being, and also he NOW has a known criminal running the Live Video site who also gave moderation status to other known sociopaths and admitted computer hackers.

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  38. All inquiries regarding debts being settled should be addressed to the following:
    Anthony Stevens
    (843) 552-9086
    Also goes by the name of RAZZ

    Unlike B. Greenspan, this person answers the phone and has been a pleasure to deal with.

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  39. That RAZZ guy is an idiot. He knows nothing about Live Video. He is just an idiot. As posted above, He has nothing to do with any debts that Liveuniverse has. Someone just posted his doc, that's all.

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  40. I'm a volunteer for blog explosion another site owned by live universe. It is running into the ground with no admin to fix problems and the volunteers not able to access area's of the site we could use to fix the problems. posts like this do not bode well for the site sadly, it looks like they will just let it all break down.

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  41. May as well add to this and say that Im owed money since 2008 from revver. Its rather ridiculous.

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  42. Who is this Razz guy and is he in charge of all debts or just for one of the sites? Would love to get my $100K

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  43. Just found a new address for Live Universe. Was updated on one of their domain names on March 4, 2010

    LiveUniverse, Inc.
    840 Apollo St. 251
    El Segundo, California 90245
    United States
    13104144550

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  44. I know where Greenspan is and where he will be next week. I will share this information to the one who tells me where the computer equiptment is that " Live" leased from Relational.

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  45. Seems that the lowlifes have found this website as well. Carry your drama back to the LV sight. Don't bring it here. This is for important people that actually have a say here. And quit posting people's info on here that has no business with LV other than they are a user on the site. RETARDS

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  46. LOWLIFES? Listen dick weed. I am trying to recover property from this asshole greenspan. Like the $ you'all have lost. so,,whatevr...fuck U 2........

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  47. where is Greenspan house ? i'm going to kill that fucker and burn down his house ! screwing with people ! then not paying that fucker should be killed

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  48. OMFG. The LV users have found this thread. Guess we will have to resort to the other site. Idiots posting personal docs of other people. Just like LV is now known for. That place is shot all to hell now. No wonder they have idiots on there now. All of us people who worked on LV trying to make it a cool and fun place to be. I can't wait till it goes down next month.

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  49. You think Greenspan doesnt have the money to pay us?

    MySpace Founder Brad Greenspan Invests In ShoppingLifestyle.com

    MySpace.com founder Brad Greenspan has invested and taken a stake in Singapore web portal http://www.shoppinglifestyle.com

    Founded in 2006 by 2 National University of Singapore graduates Calvin Yew, 31 and Shellen Pan, 29, ShoppingLifestyle.com is a content source for women with exclusive articles on fashion, beauty, relationships, diet, health, celebrities and entertainment. Currently the website sees over 150,000 unique readers per month, and works with high profile marketers such as Procter & Gamble, LVMH and Global Beauty International.

    “I see great potential in ShoppingLifestyle.com becoming a top women’s destination online. Their content offerings and business model are perfect for rapid expansion into new markets.” says Mr. Greenspan. “The team has done a wonderful job in Singapore, and I believe they are ready to become an influential player in the global digital media landscape.”

    “We are excited at this opportunity to take the ShoppingLifestyle brand out to the rest of the world,” says Managing Director Calvin Yew. “Our immediate focus will be to strengthen the team as well as solidify our position in Singapore and other high-growth markets like Malaysia, Philippines and the United States.”

    For more information, visit http://www.shoppinglifestyle.com

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  50. LiveVideo equipment is hosted at this address:

    United Layer LLC
    530 West 6th Street
    Los Angeles, CA 90014-1204
    (213) 553-9244

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  51. Anyone know Brad's new number? His 310 # has a full voicebox. He promised to follow up on this and I think he's now abandoned this phone number.

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  52. Livevideo is run by adminstrator numzane - Dean Schutte since his arrival the site has been effect and users accounts are closed threats are made on contributors to the site also..perverts and pedophiles are active on there and numzane is aware of it but sooner close contributing DJ, and muscians and good users and invite.The unfortunate situation is Dean Schutte does have a criminal record and also himself has broken T.O.S of the site with sexual footage of himself and donna-maria fitzpatrick. on a lock down show there is alot of currution and favourtism to his friends and family who use the site. Nothing has improved there but got worst many good users also have left voluntary admin numzne has been only new to the site for 8 months now and has no clue how the site runs over users who been there for 3 yrs who he is kind to banned and remove. its a playground for numzane to do as he pleases the worst issue here is he manipulates and lies and records users show when there on friends only and blogs them for exposure. its very currupt. who is analysing this person??

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  53. Hey guys, here your lucky day..Greenspan's Attorney and All Contact Info:

    CA Bar Number#42162
    Address Law Offices of Joel R. Bennett
    151 S Orange Dr
    Los Angeles, CA 90036
    Phone Number (323) 938-6053
    Fax Number (323) 938-6359
    e-mail: joelrbennett@yahoo.com

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  54. Check This Out
    http://www.prlog.org/10766880-myspace-founder-in-debt-or-just-deadbeat-brad.html

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  55. No body wants bad press, let's start turning up the heat on this Dead Beat!

    Don't just sit there, do something. Call your attorney general or better yet, California's Atoorney General. Enough of us speak, they will have to do something!

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  56. THIS ISNT GOING AWAY BRAD!

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  57. Funny how people think they have found out who is representing Greenspan. Whoever placed this person named Joel a few post above this one obviously has no clue. First, Greenspan hasn't been a cliet of Joel's in almost 2 years. Secondly, Greenspan has more attorney's than he has fingers and toes. If you are going to place information on here, keep it accurate and up to date. Good luck to the people acting like children on this post. I finally received my settlement this week. To the posters that actually have a claim, you should contact your own attorney. I did and received my compensation in less than 30 days.

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  58. Can you give me someone my Attorney can contact? We can not find anyone and I have a judgement for my claim.

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  59. Who did your attorney contact?
    I have a judgement that I can't collect because we can not get in touch with anyone at L.U.

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  60. The Better Business Bureau in California was the organization that my attorney started with. They have the address on them. Forget about trying to call them. They will not answer. Talk is cheap. I quit receiving payment back in March of 2008. Just have your attorney get in touch with the BBB. We just started the process, had it sent over to LU demanding payment. They had 30 days to respond with either payment or a letter stating that they were not responsible to our claim. My attorney received the payment within the 30 days. I should have had my attorney add on late fees and interest, but it was never stated in my contract with LU, so I was just happy to get my 76K. But seriously, your attorney knows ways around this. He didn't need a phone number. He should know just to contact the BBB. They are not members anymore, but the BBB still has the info on them. Good luck.

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  61. I will try that, Thanks a lot for the info!

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  62. You're wrong, Joel is still his attorney...Watch out for disinformation people, obviously this guy either A) Works for Joel B) Works for Brad...Call Joel for claims, he still represents Brad..

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  63. BBB is a consumer group and does not help in cases like this. Only consumer complaints.

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  64. Farrin was smoking HOT!!

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  65. Don't you mean disinformative? Obviously you have no clue, July 11, 2010 3:19 PM. Joel left a long time ago. Joel is a Christian man and didn't want part in any of the wrongdoing that was going on with LV and a few other sites that Brad has. Cindy is still in the accounting office, but never answers her phone from what I understand. Obviously you are one of these LV'ers that just want to stir the pot. Get off of this thread. Also I said to have your attorney contact the BBB. July 19, 2010 5:09 PM They cannot help you with anything other than addresses for LV. I am just trying to be helpful. I got my money and that is all I care about.

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  66. So if you got your money, why are you still coming to this site? Get over yourself, this is an anonymous post so I can't reveal how I know, but I know. Joel is still working for him..

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  67. I come back to this and the other posts to see how others that have a claim are doing. What is with your comment "this is an anonymous post so I can't reveal how I know, but I know" Help others out here if you know so much. I hired someone to collect for me. If you have any information, pass it along to the others that have a claim, whether it is here or the other two LU complaint postings. Joel is gone. Where have you been?

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  68. I passed along his phone number didn't I? Remember Merry X-mas? I know what I'm talking about..

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  69. I realize I'm WAY late on this, but just thought I'd chime in. I didn't get paid $17,000 from traffic I sent to their network in 2007/2008. I gave up on that a couple of years ago. I just was thinking about good ole Brad and thought I'd google him to see if he was in hell yet...but just found this site.

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  70. My company provided test services to Pageflakes and then Pageflakes/LiveUniverse. PF paid our bills as we went then let things slide for a while as the dust around the LU purchase settled. It appeared that the senior staff at PF were trying to make it right, asked for us to continue working as they believed pay would be caught up (reasonable thoughts when acquired). The PF staff soon left then I got direct voice and email communications with Brad. He gave me a number of explanations and payment expectations. Nothing was ever paid once LU was involved. Initial amount was somewhere around 35k. That was two years ago, with interest that was in our contract, the amount is likely around $45k now. I believe the PF staff were good people, talented, and hard working. Bad luck and disappointment for all of us-- mainly around not fulfilling the PF business model enough to avoid ending up tied to Brad.

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  71. Finally got a Judgement Collector to go after these dirt bags. Going to be nice living in brads house!

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  72. wayne poe mrpoe is a fucking whacko

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  73. Does anyone know how to collect the money from Live Universe not paying Avalanche and Avalanche not paying their publishers? We are out about $12K!

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  74. MrPoe, Methodofmac, Innercircle, Kyhell, Bulliwif, PrincessErica and a dozen others still rule LiveVideo behind the scenes. Ppl don't see them but the people see what is happening to the site. Those that show themselves there now claim to be so knowledgable hacking LV have no clue to what can be done to that site. LV will have the biggest takedown soon. Merry Christmas to you all.

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  75. Problem on the site are the consummate harassers Razz, Kaosmaster, Justine, white.wolf, bloodmoon/cerenity and others who attack when not attacked themselves. Threatning women is for weak men but they will (in person) get whats comin!!

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  76. Hi I work for a collection agency I may be able to help. Chances are, you may never see your money again. If interested email me. TWoods2k@gmail.com

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  77. SILLY GILLMAN WAS THE BEST THING TO HAPPEN TO LIVEVIDEO.COM AND NUMZANE RAN HIM OUT

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  78. Robin Glazier and Rosie Fortunato are claim rights to many songs and the lyrics they have also obtained rights to all Queen and Lady Gaga and Cum Whore Brandon Hilton's music .. The vagina flaps song is the only original song that they actually have rights too LiveUniverse allows them to post music and make false claims to copyrights !
    http://rosiegirlsflapssong.blogspot.com/

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    1. ... spoken like a true cyberbully David .. this comment was posted as a libelling, bullying + smear campaign against these names

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    2. .. sorry you owe so much money to these people Brad Greenspam, it's no reason to call the dogs out on thier names for your thievery, can't wait to get judgement on the money you owe these people for services they helped your sites be successful, funny how liveuniverse went downhill when you stopped paying these people. They are only trying to get thier money so you sick your cyberbully lapdogs on them ~~~ U R a True Douchebag Brad

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  79. Razz rocks ...........

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  80. Mike Zeiss aka smileymike is in charge of all Live universe debt...his number in Mo. is 314-280-5624 or 573-384-5727 he is now on stickem and uses the same smiley mike name.

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  81. Anthony Stevens can be reached here:
    http://masteranthonystevens.com/
    beware this man is tricky and has made fools of groups on live video.com
    We are a group called the shifters and he destroyed us on there, if we can be of any help
    please contact Robin Glazier aka the hit-man on live video or ning

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  82. Doing a bit of research. Got a call today from someone wanting me to develop on Pageflakes. Stated they wanted to partner with me. Ha! I never partner. Money up front!!! My curiosity led me here...

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  83. if you go to chaive.net or blam you will be used by wayne poe , and robi glazier aka the shifters..they will do all they can to black mail and other wise harass you.
    be fore warned they are under investigation as we speak

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  84. call robin glazier 819-663-8248
    212 Rue Maurice-Beaudoin
    Gatineau, QC J8P 8C5

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    1. .. this comment above was posted as a libelling, bullying + smear campaign against the name shown in an attempt to drop docs

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  85. (819) 682-4328 Ask For the Guy in the Basement Ste that is Robin The Hitman Glazier

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    1. .. this comment above and other similar posts was posted as a libelling, bullying + smear campaign against the name shown in yet another failed attempt to drop docs

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  86. this is Brad and I have your money...blog all you want you will never get it

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  87. No. This is Brad. Quit posing on here.

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  88. this is Brad, hey your check is in the mail stfu

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  89. Who cares about jdsonic. He is a queer.

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  90. All the irrelevant posts are by the Shape-Shifter's hate group

    Mike Davis Robin Glazier Rosie Fortunato Hate Group

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  91. datgh0st mike davis of bonnington Pl Toronto threatens to kill kids posts online threat Toronto Sun paper 2009 July
    Robin Glazier Hate Group Leader is a Sex Offender

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  92. ROBIN L GLAZIER IS A DEVIANT FANTASIZES ABOUT TEENS AND MAKES THEM HIS QUEEN VERY SICK SHIT

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  93. datagh0st is ED Follwell Hamilton Ontario pedophile gay rapist

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  94. Robin Glazier, now of Gatineau Quebec is the biggest liar on the internet, harasser and once you cross him with one smart ass comment that normal people would let go, he holds a grudge for life, because he is WEAK. He also calls people's jobs too by the way because he is, you got it, a LOSER. He can't separate reality from fantasy either. Sociopath who says others have the problems he has, called projection. He is evil and persistent too, but really not all that smart.

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  95. call robin glazier 819-663-8248
    212 Rue Maurice-Beaudoin
    Gatineau, QC J8P 8C5

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  96. ED FOLLWELL AKA Datagh0st oh once you cross him with one smart ass comment that normal people would let go, he holds a grudge for life, because he is WEAK. He also calls people's jobs too by the way because he is, you got it, a LOSER. He can't separate reality from fantasy either. Sociopath who says others have the problems he has, called projection. He is evil and persistent too, but really not all that smart

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  97. As for his comments...well All I can say is that you guys want a laff? Feel free to google search "jdsonic blogspot"...his life on the net has been assassinated just based on copying the amount of hate he does...

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  98. calling someone weak? Seems to me that people who want to point fingers usually need to have them broken

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  99. robin glazier rosalie fortunao mike zeiss newell gene boyce and datagh0st is ed follwell of hamilton ontario all pathetic haters and soon ed will be doing time again in prison for promoting child porn sites he can be found on singsnap as datagh0st edthesock98 edthesock99 google these names here and see the response blogs to the hate macine warbling bag of spew ed follwell

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  100. ED FOLLWELL HAMILTON ONTARIO GOOGLE IT

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  101. This is funny. All of the lv'ers have found this site. Glad that they are on the wrong thread that has to do with the real reason why THIS thread was made in the first place. Have fun lv maggots

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  102. ed follwell the fact is datagh0st is ed and he is just a fail we own see he drives a school bus oops used to work.... he was fired for ??/ come now ...you got it..... being drunk-drugged on the job he is crack addict and see his edthesock99 on singsnap have a good long laugh look at the off key fail lol

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  103. ed follwell is a no one see him in all his cyber hate @ warbling bag of spew.. search google

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  104. http://www.mylife.com/edfollwell

    http://edfollwell-dataghost.blogspot.com/2010/12/below-is-all-defamation-by-mike-davis.html

    http://www.singsnap.com/karaoke/member/dataghost

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  105. Current list of shifters and IC who joined together recently (black ops too):
    rosiegirl
    mrpoe
    mac
    newell
    osh
    kumori
    busted cherries
    hitman
    javen
    rogue
    smileymike
    chava ayana
    chris wick
    troutmouth
    blackangel
    blackseptember
    orgazmatron

    they are not a hate group either they are responding to the hate of razz kaos susan and justine, and numzane and mrsnumzane who are in cahoots and let them do the hate on the live video site......mrsnumzane is one of the worst haters too, but she claimed to be about peace on the site only a year ago, go look her up in the blog section (search her names in blogs, find comments she made)

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  106. I have never worked with these folks, but Kristin Schuh rear-ended my car, gave me false insurance information and fled. She told me she's a lawyer, which is how I found her on this site. Sounds like she's a real criminal.

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  108. HEY MIKE ZEISS I NEVER POSTED YOUR NAME THERE MIKE ZEISS YOU JUST ASSUME DO YOU OKAY WELL I ASSUME YOU ARE A FUCKING LOSER AND A WIFE BEATER OK THANKS MIKE ZEISS OH BUT PLEASE DO NOT ASSUME CAUSE YOU ARE A FUCKING NUTJOB

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  109. MIKE ZEISS I NEVER POSTED YOUR NAME THERE MIKE ZEISS YOU JUST ASSUME DO YOU OKAY WELL I ASSUME YOU ARE A FUCKING LOSER AND A WIFE BEATER OK THANKS MIKE ZEISS OH BUT PLEASE DO NOT ASSUME CAUSE YOU ARE A FUCKING NUTJOB

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  110. SO THIS GUY MIKE ZEISS STATED SOMETHING HE HAS NO FACT ABOUT OKAY BUT I NEVER POSTED YOUR NAME THERE MIKE ZEISS YOU JUST ASSUMED DO YOU?? OKAY WELL I ASSUME YOU ARE A FUCKING LOSER AND A WIFE BEATER OK THANKS MIKE ZEISS OH BUT PLEASE DO NOT ASSUME CAUSE YOU ARE A FUCKING NUTJOB

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  111. SO THIS GUY MIKE ZEISS STATED SOMETHING HE HAS NO FACT ABOUT OKAY BUT I NEVER POSTED YOUR NAME THERE MIKE ZEISS YOU JUST ASSUMED DO YOU?? OKAY WELL I ASSUME YOU ARE A FUCKING LOSER AND A WIFE BEATER OK THANKS MIKE ZEISS OH BUT PLEASE DO NOT ASSUME CAUSE YOU ARE A FUCKING NUTJOB

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  112. smileymike is just an old pervert from livevideo.com

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  113. Thekaosmaster/Jdsonic and Razz/knightsofkaos deathwhisperer and bloodmoon/cerenity continue to act like children on live video and harass others because they have no lives. Grown ups acting like they do, should never have procreated. I wonder if their kids even contact them much? JDSONIC had his boys over and instead of spending time with them, right on camera, kept his door shut and ignored them all night! all weekend for that matter! LOSERS!

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  114. Dropping docs is still what they are up to as well and numnuts is assisting them with it by providing ip addresses to trace. fcuktards!

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  115. WAYNE ARTHUR POE AND MICHAEL LEE BREYETTE AND ROBIN GLAZIER AND ED FOLLWELL AND ROSIE FORTUNATO AND MIKE ZEISS AND NEWELL GENE BOYCE
    ALL OF THESE PERSONS ARE CRIMINALS MAKING THREATS PHONECALLS LIBEL SLANDER AN DEFAMATION OF LIVEVIDEO.COM ADMINISTRATION AND OTHER MEMBERS WHO DISAGREE WITH THE HATE THAT THEY WERE POSTING FOR THREE YRS AT THE WEBSITE AGAINST MANY PERSONS THE SITE HAS REALIZED THAT THESE SAME PERSONS ARE BEHIND ALL THE HATE AT LIVEVIDEO AND HAVE BANNED THESE PERSONS OVER AND OVER AGAIN THE OTHERS ARE JELLIEJAM79 AND CHAVA THE JEWISH ATTENTION WHORE

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  116. WAYNE ARTHUR POE AND MICHAEL LEE BREYETTE AND ROBIN GLAZIER AND ED FOLLWELL AND ROSIE FORTUNATO AND MIKE ZEISS AND NEWELL GENE BOYCE
    ALL OF THESE PERSONS ARE CRIMINALS MAKING THREATS PHONECALLS LIBEL SLANDER AN DEFAMATION OF LIVEVIDEO.COM ADMINISTRATION AND OTHER MEMBERS WHO DISAGREE WITH THE HATE THAT THEY WERE POSTING FOR THREE YRS AT THE WEBSITE AGAINST MANY PERSONS THE SITE HAS REALIZED THAT THESE SAME PERSONS ARE BEHIND ALL THE HATE AT LIVEVIDEO AND HAVE BANNED THESE PERSONS OVER AND OVER AGAIN THE OTHERS ARE JELLIEJAM79 AND CHAVA THE JEWISH ATTENTION WHORE

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  117. WAYNE ARTHUR POE AND MICHAEL LEE BREYETTE AND ROBIN GLAZIER AND ED FOLLWELL AND ROSIE FORTUNATO AND MIKE ZEISS AND NEWELL GENE BOYCE
    ALL OF THESE PERSONS ARE CRIMINALS MAKING THREATS PHONECALLS LIBEL SLANDER AN DEFAMATION OF LIVEVIDEO.COM ADMINISTRATION AND OTHER MEMBERS WHO DISAGREE WITH THE HATE THAT THEY WERE POSTING FOR THREE YRS AT THE WEBSITE AGAINST MANY PERSONS THE SITE HAS REALIZED THAT THESE SAME PERSONS ARE BEHIND ALL THE HATE AT LIVEVIDEO AND HAVE BANNED THESE PERSONS OVER AND OVER AGAIN THE OTHERS ARE JELLIEJAM79 AND CHAVA THE JEWISH ATTENTION WHORE

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  118. YOUR A REAL FAILED SPEWBAG OF USED DOUCHE WATER DAVE TO EVEN MENTION A WOMENS NAME (JELLIEJAM) WHO DOES NOT EVEN HARDLY COME ON LIVEVIDEO AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING. GO TAKE A SWIM...AND DROWN!

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  119. The main problem that has constantly keep the site in turmoil is one woman. The woman has the nerve to get on camera and show her vagina and breasts to the male users to gain their trust and who knows what else. They in return think she can do no wrong. Of course she is the slut of live video. Its amazing the men that talk about her video of her being nude. She is NOt a pretty woman by anymeans , she is in her late 40's and very bad looking. She can stir a fight in between anyone just with just a single lie. I think she gets off on seeing friends fight.She should be removed for number one...distribution of porn videos on a websight that does now allow porn, and two, for putting her children on cam in the chat rooms. this is disgusting. The word on live video has spread like the plague that she is selling the videos . For her childrens sake I hope not.

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  120. I think everyone on livevideo knows what David Douglas has done, don't we. People have not forgotten and Douglas is to stupid to realize it.
    Livevideo lost most of it's members because of him and his continued harassment to members of livevideo. I know I left that site because of it.

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  121. Rose F. didn't cause the shit on livevideo but that man who put her pics up and calls peoples work and homes and family sure did and him and his cronies blaming her is stupid and pure lying. Good try though asshat!

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  122. Poor Dave, he is still delusional and obsessed. The man will never move on and get a life.

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  123. CHANNEL 18 NEWS ON YOUTUBE IS TOTALLY DELETED FOR COPYRIGHT VIOLATIONS OWNED BY DAVID DOUGLAS I READ ON A BLOG THAT ROBIN GLAZIER NOW FACES SEVERAL LAWSUITS AND PERJURY CHARGES FOR FALSE COUNTER CLAIM OF COPYRIGHTS. ANOTHER ACCOUNT DEVIL SWITCHBOARD ON YOUTUBE HAD ALL IT'S VIDEOS REMOVED FOR SAME REASON OWNED BY THE SAME PERSON DAVID DOUGLAS

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  124. YouTube account TheChannel18News has been terminated because we received multiple third-party notifications of copyright infringement from claimants including:

    * David Douglas
    * David Douglas
    * David Douglas

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  125. THere are not lawsuits good try though there are lawsuits being developed toward David Douglas for his false copyright claims............rotfl

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  126. smiley mike has a history of spousal abuse and also molests little boys. He dresses up as Santa Clause and has the boys sit on his lap while he pops Viagra. Sick dude that Mikey is.

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  127. This is exactly why LV went down. Because of the stupidity from the people who found out about this page. FIND A LIFE PEOPLE! Do any of you have any idea what you sound like? What a group of total retards. Find a hobby. Better yet, find a job.

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  128. Bet jdsonic is beating his head up against a wall without livevideo up to get his hate on. LMAO!

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  129. Livevideo is Dead. I left that site long ago. The TOS was not being enforced on that site and you have administrators that just do not care. That site is bad for the soul

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  130. The main problem that has constantly keep the site in turmoil is one woman. The woman has the nerve to get on camera and show her vagina and breasts to the male users to gain their trust and who knows what else. They in return think she can do no wrong. Of course she is the slut of live video. Its amazing the men that talk about her video of her being nude. She is Not a pretty woman by any means , she is in her late 40's and very bad looking. She can stir a fight in between anyone just with just a single lie. I think she gets off on seeing friends fight.She should be removed for number one...distribution of porn videos on a website that does now allow porn, and two, for putting her children on cam in the chat rooms. this is disgusting. The word on live video has spread like the plague that she is selling the videos . For her children's sake I hope not.

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  131. We all know the truth Anonymous. You are not fooling anyone!

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  132. www.livevideo sucks

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  133. Does anyone know if PageFlakes is still in
    business? Email messages sent to accounts
    indicated on their contact page are invalid and
    the phone number is not accurate. We are
    interested in providing our registered users
    with thie type of customizable portal page with
    feeds. Or, is there anyone on this blog that
    knows their system and can provide those
    services to us?

    Any help would be appreciated.

    PS. Sorry to hear of the losses experienced by so many people.

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  134. The main problem that has constantly keep the site in turmoil is one woman. The woman has the nerve to get on camera and show her vagina and breasts to the male users to gain their trust and who knows what else. They in return think she can do no wrong. Of course she is the slut of live video. Its amazing the men that talk about her video of her being nude. She is Not a pretty woman by any means , she is in her late 40's and very bad looking. She can stir a fight in between anyone just with just a single lie. I think she gets off on seeing friends fight.She should be removed for number one...distribution of porn videos on a website that does now allow porn, and two, for putting her children on cam in the chat rooms. this is disgusting. The word on live video has spread like the plague that she is selling the videos . For her children's sake I hope not.

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  135. The main problem that has constantly keep the site in turmoil is one woman. The woman has the nerve to get on camera and show her vagina and breasts to the male users to gain their trust and who knows what else. They in return think she can do no wrong. Of course she is the slut of live video. Its amazing the men that talk about her video of her being nude. She is Not a pretty woman by any means , she is in her late 40's and very bad looking. She can stir a fight in between anyone just with just a single lie. I think she gets off on seeing friends fight.She should be removed for number one...distribution of porn videos on a website that does now allow porn, and two, for putting her children on cam in the chat rooms. this is disgusting. The word on live video has spread like the plague that she is selling the videos . For her children's sake I hope not.

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  136. http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/Jdsonic

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  137. 264 S LA CIENEGA BLVD STE 1218
    BEVERLY HILLS, CA 90211-3302
    LOS ANGELES COUNTY 3/2002 - 5/2011

    this should be good for brad

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  138. To brad greenspan and to the asshat that wrote this blog:
    both of you are irresponsible losers in the fact that you have to write blogger blogs and leave them open to abuses like are written above.
    and to brad greenspan -- you are a money grubbing scumbag that creates drama and hate for views on your websites

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  139. NEWELL GENE BOYCE PREDATOR PEDOPHILE

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  140. NEWELL GENE BOYCE OF INDIANA ,...IS THE BIGGEST HATER ON LIVEVIDEO and IN MORE SOCK ACCOUNTS THEN YOU CAN IMAGE
    HE HAS POSTED 98% of THE HORSESHIT HERE.

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  141. Brad Greenspan has owed me alarge amount of money since 2008 for services rendered .. don't work for the cocaine addicted douchebag .. he has let revver, blog explosion and livevideo, livevideo.com and other sites run themself into the ground. He does not pay his employees or contractors and he depends on free labour from mods or admins like Dean Peter Schutte aka Numzane ,and Anthony Tobias Stevens who abuse his website members and slander, defame and libel and cyberbully website members and they hand out mod status for favors and money and computer equipment .. all condoned by admins and mods of those websites and by brad greenspan --- many of the posts here are a direct result of the abuse that continues on those sites

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  142. Ugly inside and out: Bluemoon/bloodmoon/cerenity ran off like the little cunt she is and this woman is a supreme hater and stalker on livevideo and sides with david douglas (chaosmaster) because he has something over her and she is just too chicken to stand up for herself and decided to stand with him in harassment and trolling. She is a bad person all the way around.

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  143. mike davis is naomi cruise or cruz aka online cyber path Google dataghost dataghost613 Edward D Salk Ed Phelps Ed-the -sock -Account But we all know he is a pathetic welfare cheat who impersonates women Dataghost MIKE DAVIS OF TORONTO

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  144. Mike Davis is the main person posting here since day one Now we will continue to respond to his lies google dataghost613 mike davis hater

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  145. the comments in this thread show very clearly what happens when "cyberpathius-2-nutz-short-canuckus" (cyberpath jdsonic aka kaosmaser aka balless canuck) misses his tetosterone therapy meds and repeatedly commits googlecide

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  146. mike davis dataghost196 dataghost613 toronto ontario the posting here are mostly from This constantly is the coward edthesockaccount from livevideo.com and dataghost account from livevideo.com posting here the main hater and online criminal who impersonates many until he gets caught So post more hate Mikey at age 48 he looking pretty haggard In real life he knows time is not on his side the pooor deaf Jew lol what a excuse for being the stupidest cybersquatting cum receptacle,that is all oh yeah Mikey is Born July 15 1963 has 4 rotten stinking teeth in his mouth google dataghost613 dataghost196 and you will find out all about this internet predator who is on the run

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  147. the person who wrote the comment directly above this comment is jdsonic - please visit his site and tell him what you think of his hateful disgusting comment @ www.livevideo.com/jdsonic

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  148. Brad gave me the rest of the funds and was spent on hunting down Numzane dead or alive so we can beat him up and then hang the motherfucker up on a lamppost. ha ha ha its been money well spent ha ha ha ha

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  149. Brad just didn't pay people. Period. When you attack other people you are justifying others not being paid, by choice, by Brad and the company. They bought companies and didn't pay their debts but made money on their assets. No individual thing about David Douglas or anyone else justifies any individual concern. Whoever is posting this is justifying nonpayment to companies and individuals.

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  150. good luck getting your money . your wish may have finally come true though -->>> www.livevideo.com has been down for 6 weeks and hopefully the scourge of the internet is finished .. it became a real cesspool for hate and several cyberbullies that Brad Greenspan did nothing about and encouraged his admins to do nothing and to let it continue unchecked to get views and unique visits to make money and appreciate the value of the website for several years .. // if you want proof just look at the above extensive posts and what 2 or 3 cyberbullies did by posting names of LV members to administer damage to thier names on this thread --- makes Brad Greenspan a total douchebag -- GOOD RIDDANCE - furthermore the owner of this blog should be more responsible + moniter the comments to ensure his plight and dealings with liveuniverse and Brad Pondscum do not harm others in the process of complaining and whining about money owed by Brad Greenspawn -- it makes your case you want to present to people very apparent that you do not follow through and is probably why you are owed so much because you pay little attention to following up .. not being persistent or attentive to your affairs -- you aren't on top of it and do nothing but write a blog to make your case -- btw Fuuuuuck you Brad Cokespoon you coked out trust fund baby !!!

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  151. good luck getting your money . your wish may have finally come true though -->>> www.livevideo.com has been down for 6 weeks and hopefully the scourge of the internet is finished .. it became a real cesspool for hate and several cyberbullies that Brad Greenspan did nothing about and encouraged his admins to do nothing and to let it continue unchecked to get views and unique visits to make money and appreciate the value of the website for several years .. // if you want proof just look at the above extensive posts and what 2 or 3 cyberbullies did by posting names of LV members to administer damage to thier names on this thread --- makes Brad Greenspan a total douchebag -- GOOD RIDDANCE - furthermore the owner of this blog should be more responsible + moniter the comments to ensure his plight and dealings with liveuniverse and Brad Pondscum do not harm others in the process of complaining and whining about money owed by Brad Greenspawn -- it makes your case you want to present to people very apparent that you do not follow through and is probably why you are owed so much because you pay little attention to following up .. not being persistent or attentive to your affairs -- you aren't on top of it and do nothing but write a blog to make your case -- btw Fuuuuuck you Brad Cokespoon you coked out trust fund baby !!!

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  152. If anyone wants their money= brad greenspan has a house in the hollywood hills on sunset plaza, he is letting this con-artist guy named Ryder Ray stay there free, this dude has late night ragers almost every night, and not only that- he has a kid that sleeps downstairs while it happens! Coke, weed, booze, under age girls and guys getting drunk and driving home, people jumping off the second story of the house into the pool. In the past couple months since this wannabe dude has been staying there rent free, there have been atleast 25 parties. 2 guys have gone to the hospital after fights, and this one girl is saying she is going to the police this week cos she was date raped, at the house! I don't know why this tfb jackass is letting this happen at his house, but there are gonna be a lotta lawsuits going on soon for that moron.

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    1. More lawsuits for Greenspan. lmfao!

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  153. i THOUGHT he was losing his house? ryder ray is a christian. or so he claims. he tries to fuck every teen age girl in hollywood and tells everyone what a great dad he is. i think he met brad in church. lmfao. hope brad gets sued some more.

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  154. Enough of the bullshit already. That crap is over and no longer needs to be brought up! To the person who owns this blog...do us all a favor and remove all the negative comments on this blog concerning people who have nothing to do with your blog in the first place.

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  155. Why are you reading and commenting on it if it's all over. Dumbass.

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  156. Brad used the LV'ers as free content. he made a ton of cash with everyones show. why do you think he kept it open and commercial free to users? When everyone realized they were had. they left, and Brad's money-train burned to the ground. the end.

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  157. Prepaire for new blogs about all of the above to surface to show their harassment.

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  158. Livevideo was fun

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  159. Yeah I worked for these assholes back in late 2007. I worked for a woman named Lisa who ran production at livevideo.com. She was such an IDIOT and a total amateur. Most of the people there were idiots including most of the producers. The editing/camera staff was talented. Lisa's main problem in running production is she didn't have a clue as to how to run it. She often fought with the tech guys in El Segundo and created a huge divide between them and the production department in Hollywood and she would often make us lie about working hours! She would send us home early and then make us lie about our time so Brad and the corporate peeps would think we were putting in our 40 hours a week. We often missed great content opportunities due to her inabilities to lead the department.I did editing and ran cameras and wrote scripts. She would often have some clueless asshole (one of her ass kissing work buddies) act as producer and none of them were any good or even had enough smarts to understand production. The guys they hired to be studio managers were even worse! Bunch of idiots with low IQs. Worst place I ever worked. Very unprofessional work environment. I finally walked out on that place and never looked back. Did not even say goodbye! I did get my final paycheck on time so at least they did that right. The lawyer they used Kristine? Used boilerplate legal documents. I used to find errors in the releases all the time. I am not surprised that the ship went down. With so many clueless douchebags running the place it's a wonder it did not happen sooner.

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